tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14561588.post3643352114865613931..comments2024-03-10T01:16:54.432-07:00Comments on The Debris Field: Note to Mr. Jeremy VaeniLesleyinNMhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07650512451759278182noreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14561588.post-42822958095490865892009-02-25T11:59:00.000-07:002009-02-25T11:59:00.000-07:00...Seems "stfu" found some utility, after all...Th......Seems "stfu" found some utility, after all...<BR/><BR/>That said, the reader can go here for a point by point discussion of Ritzmann's weepy concerns and abundant coal to Newcastle, eh.<BR/><BR/>http://www.alienview.net/news.htmlAlfred Lehmberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02028589165474437987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14561588.post-88939400922143337932009-02-22T19:43:00.000-07:002009-02-22T19:43:00.000-07:00But seriously -- he should substantiate his charge...But seriously -- he should substantiate his charges more specifically about my plagiarism — better qualify his assertion that his right to self-expression is somehow biologically superior to mine ... or just stfu.Alfred Lehmberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02028589165474437987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14561588.post-35108687142813102872009-02-22T19:32:00.000-07:002009-02-22T19:32:00.000-07:00"Yadda, blah blah [facile insult] yadda [pompous p...<B>"Yadda, blah blah [facile insult] yadda [pompous proclamation] blah, blah (appeal to authority] blah [fatuous closer] pant snort yadda [Biedny impersonation] blah blah."</B><BR/><BR/>...And in his finest shop-manual concision, too. Also, I think it possible that he believes he'd be the one owed an apology! <BR/><BR/>Uh-huh, sorry he tried to poke me in the eye and pulled pack a nub for the Alfred Lehmberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02028589165474437987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14561588.post-30697591771097593362009-02-22T18:25:00.000-07:002009-02-22T18:25:00.000-07:00Alfred, Clearly you cannot engage in a ration...Alfred,<BR/> Clearly you cannot engage in a rational argument, without resorting to name calling and personal attacks galore.<BR/><BR/>A standard of evidence shouldn't be such a threat to you, as it's there to separate the "shit from shinola".<BR/><BR/>In your argument, every component of an inability to debate the point or issue is present: venomous personal attacks, moving goalposts, and Jeff Ritzmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15793262192698544038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14561588.post-52078126991031965112009-02-20T15:49:00.000-07:002009-02-20T15:49:00.000-07:00You too. Bye bye now.You too. Bye bye now.Alfred Lehmberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02028589165474437987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14561588.post-88306703564011537002009-02-20T15:30:00.000-07:002009-02-20T15:30:00.000-07:00I see, Alfred. Thanks for correcting me. Take care...I see, Alfred. Thanks for correcting me. Take care.Jeremy Vaenihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18002379484456272321noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14561588.post-7369618481871996752009-02-20T14:31:00.000-07:002009-02-20T14:31:00.000-07:00I have to say on reflection that you tend to too r...I have to say on reflection that you tend to too readily, Mr. Vaeni, mis-characterize what someone says to you back to them like it was a good report or an accurate paraphrase, when you must know that it is not. <BR/><BR/>By your own rules I suppose I must affix that filter to other things you've said, causes you've been involved in, or campaigns you've waged? Associations you have made. AgendasAlfred Lehmberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02028589165474437987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14561588.post-10327349427999893052009-02-20T12:54:00.000-07:002009-02-20T12:54:00.000-07:00"You don't believe there are rules of evidence."No...<B>"You don't believe there are rules of evidence."</B><BR/><BR/>Nonsense. I questioned it. I would have thought you could tell the difference.<BR/><BR/><B>"You don't believe in psychology. (And can't separate the legal criminal drug enterprise of psychiatry from the facts of psychology, it seems.)"</B> <BR/><BR/>Mr. Vaeni. There are no "facts" in psychology. There are contradictory models. Alfred Lehmberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02028589165474437987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14561588.post-38413237546760368872009-02-20T12:30:00.000-07:002009-02-20T12:30:00.000-07:00"Go right ahead. That kind of limp thinking sets t...<B>"Go right ahead. That kind of limp thinking sets this field of study back decades. However, one can stand up to peer review of a dataset as described here - would you stand up to peer review to state that every faked UFO is "part of the "alien" effect?"</B><BR/><BR/>"Peer review"... now there's another of your unsullied and faultless paradigms! Thanks for bringing it up! Peer review only Alfred Lehmberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02028589165474437987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14561588.post-12604708668125590042009-02-20T11:35:00.000-07:002009-02-20T11:35:00.000-07:00You don't believe there are rules of evidence.You ...You don't believe there are rules of evidence.<BR/><BR/>You don't believe in psychology. (And can't separate the legal criminal drug enterprise of psychiatry from the facts of psychology, it seems.) <BR/><BR/>You sneeringly give the scientific method a pass.<BR/><BR/>Yeah, I'd say you're all set to find the truth! Check check and check!Jeremy Vaenihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18002379484456272321noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14561588.post-81611121155780180872009-02-20T10:58:00.000-07:002009-02-20T10:58:00.000-07:00Alfred states: ""Rules of evidence" are useless un...Alfred states: <BR/>""Rules of evidence" are useless until all _agree_ on the rules and are even willing to _accept_ the evidence."<BR/><BR/>Nonsense. There are rules of evidence as it applies to rational thought and facts gained through simple baseline investigation of accumulated data.<BR/><BR/>A guy takes a photo of a UFO. Through digital examination, there's a string found attached to the Jeff Ritzmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15793262192698544038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14561588.post-18795501589851998882009-02-18T23:07:00.000-07:002009-02-18T23:07:00.000-07:00It _is_ my opinion: you're a little light in the e...It _is_ my opinion: you're a little light in the experiential drawers for any kind of reliable "ufological fact determination." These are experiential drawers, btw, gleaned in a more complete understanding of a ufological milieu I'm _well_ south of myself, let me remind you.<BR/><BR/>Still, Mr. Vaeni, despite having some experiences decidedly eclipsing your own, actually, in a longer life Alfred Lehmberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02028589165474437987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14561588.post-65405589615338677732009-02-18T21:29:00.000-07:002009-02-18T21:29:00.000-07:00I know, I know, anyone who says "fact" and not "op...I know, I know, anyone who says "fact" and not "opinion" is a dictator. Got it.Jeremy Vaenihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18002379484456272321noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14561588.post-45608802096449968482009-02-18T15:22:00.000-07:002009-02-18T15:22:00.000-07:00I've the grip I want, and thanks. And you're right...I've the grip I want, and thanks. And you're right! It does seem like you could have done something different. Lastly, I don't think I'd call it responding as much as dictating policy, using those around you abusively to define yourself, and feeding some apparently pretty substantial egos, eh?Alfred Lehmberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02028589165474437987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14561588.post-66130100914759592162009-02-18T15:12:00.000-07:002009-02-18T15:12:00.000-07:00Alfred - communicating with us THROUGH US (and TV ...Alfred - communicating with us THROUGH US (and TV sets, apparently) is alien control. We are receivers for them in this instance. You're stretching.<BR/><BR/>As for alienating public discussion, please. I was responding to your comments on my post. What should I have done, called everyone individually? <BR/><BR/>I didn't start a false debate to insult you. Get a grip, man.Jeremy Vaenihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18002379484456272321noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14561588.post-26515367243790771802009-02-18T04:40:00.000-07:002009-02-18T04:40:00.000-07:00Alfred, alien control was the point, whatta ya mea...<B>Alfred, alien control was the point, whatta ya mean? Mike said it. It's right there.</B> <BR/><BR/>No, Mr. Vaeni. "Communication" with the conjectured other was the "point." Control was a word not used anywhere in the bold text I provided. Good did _not_ say it. It is not "right there," by any blow or stretch and there at all on an unaccepted premise and a frame _you_ provide.<BR/><BR/><B>YouAlfred Lehmberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02028589165474437987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14561588.post-67319673092624776782009-02-17T22:32:00.000-07:002009-02-17T22:32:00.000-07:00Lesley, sadly George Noory also keeps Meier alive ...Lesley, sadly George Noory also keeps Meier alive and he's got the big audience.<BR/><BR/>Alfred, alien control was the point, whatta ya mean? Mike said it. It's right there. You think I'd purposely frame a false argument so I could insult you?Jeremy Vaenihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18002379484456272321noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14561588.post-41025929832091204892009-02-17T20:50:00.000-07:002009-02-17T20:50:00.000-07:00Jeff Ritzmann -- Actually I was just commenting on...Jeff Ritzmann -- Actually I was just commenting on your comment. My original comment had to do with the fact that in a podcast you can rant about people for an hour and since it isn’t a live show there is no way for someone to call in or somehow defend themselves during the show. <BR/><BR/>Onto the purple comment -- I will admit my bad and apologize. I honestly did not think my lame attempt atLesleyinNMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07650512451759278182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14561588.post-83055408897109005162009-02-17T17:43:00.000-07:002009-02-17T17:43:00.000-07:00Sure -- Ask Dennis McKenna about any of the books ...Sure -- Ask Dennis McKenna about any of the books his brother has written talking about a regard for "the other" reflected with increasing frequency in world class personages and somehow reflecting the terrible energy of some kind of approaching singularity or concrescence. Not so ridiculous as you might too reflexively assert given Kurzweil and others. Also, dismissing all this conjectured Alfred Lehmberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02028589165474437987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14561588.post-60555272870645491932009-02-17T17:26:00.000-07:002009-02-17T17:26:00.000-07:00Alfred:I've been upfront with what is happening in...Alfred:<BR/><BR/>I've been upfront with what is happening in this here body. I know it sounds nuts and you can take it or leave it. That is far different than Mike Good's nonsensical hypothesis. One is an ongoing, ever-present personal experience of SOMETHING (I don't really know what) - and the other is a blanket hypothesis that eludes all reason. Incidentally I could point you to all sorts of Jeremy Vaenihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18002379484456272321noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14561588.post-68945718982188027622009-02-17T15:05:00.000-07:002009-02-17T15:05:00.000-07:00no no no ... you guys have got it all figured out ...no no no ... you guys have got it all figured out really, you've assigned all the parts, programmed all the idiosyncratic hurdles to your required respect, assessed the prerequisites, levied the conventional wisdoms, provided for the "common sense"... _everyone_ take your foil hat and go home... support a campaign to "clear out the riff raff..." live long and prosper!<BR/><BR/>The offending wad Alfred Lehmberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02028589165474437987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14561588.post-15135031091775259012009-02-17T14:22:00.000-07:002009-02-17T14:22:00.000-07:00Jer- Understood on Alfred, as far as the rest w...Jer-<BR/> Understood on Alfred, as far as the rest we'll have to agree to disagree on that one. I also don't feel that way about Regan, who seems to be very critical in thought, and to boot a very kind, intelligent person...I have no understanding of why she'd subscribe to the same thought voiced in the replies, unless she's misunderstands the point. She's better than that.<BR/><BR/>This kind Jeff Ritzmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15793262192698544038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14561588.post-28545132956269981952009-02-17T13:23:00.000-07:002009-02-17T13:23:00.000-07:00Jeff: I've gotta disagree with you on the jealousy...Jeff: <BR/><BR/>I've gotta disagree with you on the jealousy thing. Alfred, for one, was the first person to really reach out to me in this ufological community, after Nancy Birnes, and has been nothing but supportive of my writing. Of course I can't read peoples' minds and I do know of some jealousy issues not involving anyone here, but I think up until this spat, we've all been friendly enough Jeremy Vaenihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18002379484456272321noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14561588.post-88869243449566144782009-02-17T13:01:00.000-07:002009-02-17T13:01:00.000-07:00Lesley:If your beef is with being accused of comin...Lesley:<BR/><BR/>If your beef is with being accused of coming in with grandstanding comments after I said I was leaving the conversation and that's a coincidence, I apologize. You knew I was coming back and reading because you were monitoring my personal activity on the thread. Or you had guests in from out of town. Or something. Whatever it is.<BR/><BR/>I'm going to say this one last time for Jeremy Vaenihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18002379484456272321noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14561588.post-53398751039184231522009-02-17T12:32:00.000-07:002009-02-17T12:32:00.000-07:00Lesley- No one has to join anything to post a...Lesley-<BR/> No one has to join anything to post at Paratopia. There are guest settings to allow for those who don't wish to permanently join the board.<BR/><BR/>Your assertion in your initial post was that people were "gagged" or somehow prohibited from responses on-site, and that is incorrect.<BR/><BR/>Lets please not move the goalposts from your recent assertion. <BR/><BR/>This seems to Jeff Ritzmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15793262192698544038noreply@blogger.com